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As most of you who've read this blog for any length of time know, I am against modern medicine. Some of you think I am plain crazy; others think I am merely a bit extreme. I thought I would try to explain, though, why I believe what I do. I haven't truly chosen to reject modern medicine because I think doctors are evil, or the corporations are out to get us. In general I find them misguided but intending good (there are SOME out there who are just interested in profit, as I've said before, but on the whole I think most individuals are intending good). Also, again, I do believe in TRAUMA medicine -- I think it's great that we have doctors who can set broken bones, stitch deep wounds, and perform reconstructive surgery. If I'm in an accident, there's nothing I'd rather have. But barring that, I'll skip modern medicine, thanks.
The truth as to why I don't believe in modern medicine lies in something called "germ theory." Germ theory is the idea that there are specific bugs or 'germs' that cause all disease. These germs could be viruses or bacteria. There are many different kinds, they all have specific names, and they cause specific diseases that produce specific sets of symptoms. Therefore, these diseases can be helped (i.e. cured) by creating antibiotics or vaccines which either kill the germ or prevent the germ from making us sick in the first place. This theory is what modern medicine is based on.
I don't believe in germ theory. It fails to explain several things. 1) Why infection rates in "exposed" individuals vary from 20 - 40% on average (why don't the rest of the exposed people get sick, too?). 2) Why individuals have varying severities of the illness (if the specific germ produces specific symptoms, it should be the same in all individuals). 3) Why symptoms/presentation varies from person to person (again, symptoms should be the same if the germ/disease is the same). 4) Why so many "different" diseases present with nearly the exact same symptoms (why are there 500 diseases that all present with "fever, cough, congestion and sore throat" for example?)
First, let's talk about some history of germ theory. It was first theorized in the 1860s by Louis Pasteur (who invented pasteurization), in opposition to a theory called "spontaneous generation." That theory posited that living things could come from non-living things (evolution anyone?) and that people got sick due to this 'spontaneous generation' of illness, but this theory was disproven. (That's NOT what I'm going to argue is the cause of illness.) Basically, Pasteur noted that when things were exposed to air (in many experiments, they used broth), they became "contaminated" and went bad. Therefore, something must be in the air, a "germ," which caused this to happen, since when broth was NOT exposed to air, it did not go bad. Then, in the 1870s, another scientist (Koch) used Pasteur's work and Semmelweiss's (who came up with the idea of hand washing to prevent disease) and said, theoretically, that specific microbes must cause specific diseases. Sometime after this viruses were "discovered," although none were ever seen until the invention of the electron microscope in the 1900s. And even then, "Most viruses are far too tiny to be seen in an ordinary high-powered microscope, except perhaps as a minute spot of light against a dark background." Francis Crick, 1988. That is to say, most viruses are too tiny to have ever been really seen or studied. A tiny speck of light could be anything -- even just a shadow.
For a long time, it was thought that only bacteria could cause illness. Now, there is the theory of viruses, which I addressed briefly above. It has also been noted that there is a lot of "natural flora" that exists in living organisms. That is, we have a lot of "good" bacteria that lives in and on us, not just bad bacteria. Most people are now familiar with this, because everyone is talking about probiotics and that sort of thing. For the scientists, in developing germ theory, though, the normal gut flora is glossed over (in fact, this is an area that is fairly new to heavy research) and the illness-causing bacteria is focused on.
I'm going to start with the normal flora to explain why we get sick. Every living organism on the planet has some sort of natural, healthy state. This state includes all of the organism's "vital signs" (in humans, pulse, respiration, temperature, etc.) and its normal balance of bacteria. In humans, it is notable that approximately 70% of the immune system is found in the gut flora (that is a recent discovery). I believe that this balance is somewhat precarious, and that if the balance is thrown off by anything -- stress, antibiotic use, too much junk food, environmental toxins, etc. -- illness results. That is, it is not a specific "germ" that is responsible for illness, but the entire balance of different types of bacteria within a person. There are no specific germs that cause specific diseases. Rather, when the gut flora becomes unbalanced, a person's body will produce symptoms to rid itself of whatever is in excess and restore whatever is low in order to achieve balance again.
This theory explains why people who are heavily exposed to environmental toxins get sick much more often, in general, than those who are not. It is known and accepted that those who eat a lot of junk food, smoke, drink, etc. tend to get sick more often than those who do not do those things. Those who have "unhealthy practices" have higher toxin loads and need to detox more often. It also explains why people can have different symptoms in response to the "same" illness -- they are producing whatever symptoms their individual body needs in order to become healthy again. It also explains why many people can be exposed to an illness and NOT get sick, because their body may not need to detox at that time.
Yes, there are things this theory doesn't explain -- such as exactly why a group of people do all seem to become sick at the same time. I believe further research is needed to understand this. However, I think that there is some type of energy or body chemistry that can trigger detox in people who require it by being around those who are sick, if that makes sense. Let me give you an example.
There is a family of 4. All 4 live together and share everything -- they hug, kiss, share glasses, silverware, etc. If one is sick, all are thoroughly exposed. It is also worth noting that two are children and both are nursing (okay, this really happened to us :) ). One child becomes sick, and presents with low grade fever, vomitting, heavy congestion, coughing, disturbed/restless sleep and loss of appetite. Two days later the other child is sick, but presents with minor congestion and coughing, no other symptoms. The next day a parent gets sick, presenting with scratchy throat and minor congestion. The other parent does not get sick. If germ theory were true, they would ALL get sick, and they would all present with the same symptoms in the same severity. I believe in this case, the first child gets sick and passes her "needs" to the mother via saliva while nursing. The mother's body produces bacteria/antibodies to help her heal and build her immune system, but these antibodies also go to the second nursing child. This produces symptoms, mildly, in the mother and second child, but NOT the father, who does not participate in the nursing relationship. Can I prove this? No. But I believe this theory better accounts for what occurred than germ theory does.
It is worth noting that if germ theory is false, or even if parts of it are false, then antibiotics and vaccinations are generally useless. Vaccination is ALWAYS useless, and antibiotics are almost always useless. Antibiotics kill bacteria, but they are non-specific. They kill all forms of bacteria, so they can kill (probably) whatever type of bacteria is in excess and making you sick, but they also kill off the helpful bacteria. This doesn't actually heal you (just provides temporary relief), but continues the cycle of off-balance bacteria. This is why recurrent or secondary infections (like yeast infections) are common with antibiotic use. Also, because antibiotics are derived in a lab, they are "dead" and they function the same every time. The bacteria is living and it learns to outsmart the antibiotics, so to speak, breeding "super bacteria" like MRSA. Even 10 or 15 years ago this might have sounded ridiculous...but today we are all too aware of the dangers of MRSA.
If, instead, a person heals naturally (without any aid), the body will restore its own balance and reinfection is unlikely. For severe infections, there are plant-based medicines that can help. Think of it this way: all the plants that grow in the wild must protect themselves from mold, viruses, and bacteria. They clearly manage to do so in most cases because plants thrive. Taking the oils from these plants, therefore, can give the benefit of this "natural medicine" that keeps the plant alive. Essential oils, which are derived from plants and kept as living substances (i.e. not processed with heat or chemicals) contain antibacterial and anti-viral (if you believe in viruses) properties. They change and evolve with the bacteria and can help to restore the proper balance, rather than just killing all bacteria. Other substances, like vitamin C, boost the body's immune system to help it overcome the infection more quickly (exactly how this happens, I won't get into just now).
So, after studying this subject for awhile, and of course the simple fact that I believe that God gave us all the medicine we'll ever need naturally (are you aware that all medicine is originally derived from natural substances anyway?), I do not believe in germ theory or the use of modern medicine. This doesn't include anomalies like type I diabetes or unusual failures of the body, which would have caused certain death before inventions like insulin. I'm talking about everyday, general health. I don't believe that vaccines prevent disease, or that antibiotics cure it. I believe modern medicine is best saved for anomalies (like people born with heart conditions, type I diabetes, transverse babies requiring c-sections, trauma, etc.) and not for routine care. I think it is a mistake for people to rely so heavily and casually on the use of medication. How many people pop antacids or Tylenol any time they feel a little off, and don't think twice about it? We're messing with our body chemistry and, I believe, causing more illness than we're curing.
Unfortunately the more scientists learn, the more fascinated they are about possibilities and implications of medicine. They are eager for technology to replace "old ways" and they believe that they can improve upon nature. I believe this, too, is false. You can't improve nature. Doctors want to help, and researchers mean well, but they are caught up in a false system of beliefs, an incorrect theory. I believe that with continued research (because after all, the knowledge of gut flora and probiotics is relatively recent), they will come to understand this. I believe there are many researchers out there who are open minded and want to know. I also believe there are some who are seriously biased and who will cling to their current theories and ideas and refuse to believe in change.
This sums up my beliefs about health, medicine, and why I feel the way I do. I hope it has opened your mind to new possibilities and that it explains my position a little better.
Further Reading:
The Germ Theory: A Faulty Medical Model
What do you believe? Has any of this changed the way you think about health?
Sunday, December 13, 2009
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I'm confused. Do you think your daughter's saliva was absorbed into your breast, then your body made the correct antibodies to help heal her cold, then the antibodies you made from absorbing her saliva made you and your son less severly sick? I have never heard that a baby's saliva (in your case a toddler's)is absorbed into a mother's milk ducts. Do you have a source for that theory?
ReplyDeleteCouldn't some of the germs she had in her mouth have been present on your breast after she nursed, and then, when your son nursed after her he took some of the germs into his mouth? Couldn't you have also touched some of those same germs when you helped him latch onto your breast and then touched your face say to scratch your nose? This would explain why he became ill before you (he took the germs directly into his mouth vs. you taking them in secondarily).
In either case, do you still think it is a good idea to breast feed two children at once since they are more likely to transfer illnesses? How long do you plan to keep breastfeeding your toddler?
Many drugs we still use today are still plant or animal based, as in, the active ingredient(s) is still that same initial ingredient used prior. I mean, have you ever had a UTI? You could take antibiotics for it...or, as soon as you feel it coming on (or as soon as you start to feel 'funny'), you can either drink cranberry juice and eat yogurt or take a cranberry supplement. Both methods work very well - it's what the Native Americans did for their medicine.
ReplyDeleteOak bark contains the active ingredient in aspirin, and aspirin (I don't know if aspirin you buy today is still the plant variety or if they manufacture it now) for a long time was just made from oak tree bark. I hear that drinking a tea made from the bark will have the same effect as taking aspirin.
This is why people looking for a cure for cancer/AIDS/etc. are looking at unstudied ocean and rainforest plants and animals. There are compounds in them that we'd never think of on our own that may very well help us defeat those health issues.
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteIt is a well-known fact that breastfeeding moms create antibodies when their kids are exposed to germs. Mom kisses baby, or wipes baby's nose, or baby sneezes on mom, and then mom's body takes over and starts creating antibodies that are then passed on through her milk. This article mentions saliva-to-breast working in the same fashion...it also covers issues with germs/tandem nursing: http://www.kellymom.com/nursingtwo/faq/15germworries.html
It could also be possible that one kid leaves germs that the other is exposed to via breastfeeding, but I can't imagine there's any more exposure happening that way than by kids just being kids...sneezing on each other, sharing toys, etc. Also, breastmilk's antibodies can help fight germs that are left behind, further explaining why the second child to get sick typically gets a milder case of the illness.
Oh, and while it's commonly known that babies benefit from breastmilk, it's less well-known (in this country) that toddlers do, too (and even preschoolers!). Tandem nursing is a common occurrence all over the world. Weaning because of germs seems a moot point...the kids would continue exposing each other in every day life, anyway, but then the weaned child wouldn't have mom's protection. It's not common in this country to nurse past 12 months of age (if babies are even that lucky), but the American Academy of Pediatrics does recommend at least 12 months (and longer as long as it is mutually desired by mom and baby), and the World Health Organization recommends at least 2 years.
Here's a quote from another article (sources being LLLi and AAP, among others):
ReplyDelete"Nursing also allows your baby to give germs to you so that your immune system can respond and can synthesize antibodies! This means that if your baby has come in contact with something which you have not, (s)he will pass these germs to you at the next nursing; during that feeding, your body will start to manufacture antibodies for that particular germ. By the time the next feeding arrives, your entire immune system will be working to provide immunities for you and your baby. If you are exposed to any bacteria or viruses, your body will be making antibodies against them and these will be in your milk. Breast milk also contains a host of other immune molecules that also help protect your baby from germs. It's an awesome system!"
Thanks Lindsey! It saved me from having to look it up again. I should have put that in in the first place. :)
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 1,
I believe in self-weaning. That is, a child is allowed to nurse until s/he is ready to stop. And Lindsey is right, nursing does not expose the child any more than living in the same environment, and can actually help because it provides the antibodies to BOTH sick children. I'll be posting more on toddler and tandem nursing soon.
Emma,
ReplyDeleteI thought it was willow bark that aspirin came from. Maybe I forgot. But yes, you're right, all medication is originall derived from natural substances, and has been later synthesized in a lab. And now in many cases these natural substances are being outlawed as "drugs" or "dangerous!" Are you kidding? Popular cholesterol drugs were derived from red yeast rice. Another new drug was derived from vitamin B6. Most of the active ingredients were, at some point, found in nature. If that's the case, science must understand that "medicine" found in nature is the most powerful and effective, or they wouldn't base their drugs on it. But they can't patent the original, natural substance so they synthesize it and add to it. And then they turn around and criticize those who want to use natural medicine as "crazy" when THEIR DRUGS ARE BASED ON IT! Sounds pretty stupid when you put it that way, doesn't it?
Kate,
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry, but I don't see my post that happened to present a side of this argument that was different from yours. I seem to remember you priding yourself on keeping your blog unbiased and uncensored, so I was curious as to why my post didn't become public, especially since I don't believe it violated any of your "blog etiquette" regulations. My posting a well-constructed argument in opposition to yours does not excuse you from responding to it.
Anonymous 2,
ReplyDeleteYour comment had 2 parts to it. The second was a reasonable argument and if you submit that alone, I will post it. The first part called me names. That is why it was rejected. Try again with your argument alone and you'll see it up, and I'll respond to it.
Posted for Anonymous 2:
ReplyDeleteKate,
Here's my take on germs. This should answer all your questions which you believe "germ theory" ignores: germs affect different people in different ways because of how they eat, how much they exercize, how much stress they're living with, any potentially harmful substances they encounter on a day-to-day basis, and so on. These factors largely determine the fortitude of an individual's immune system. Because a person's immune system depends so highly on their lifestyle, no two people's immune system or body chemistry will be exactly alike. Therefore two people can indeed show different degrees of symptoms for the same disease because their respective immune systemxs aren't equally prepared for the invading germs. It also explains "why infection rates in 'exposed' individuals vary from 20 - 40% on average:" Some people's immune systems are simply strong enough to fight off the disease before it has a chance to manifest itself in symptoms.
Thoughts, concerns, questions, comments, sarcastic remarks? Shoot.
Anonymous 2,
ReplyDeleteI am aware that susceptibility is an issue, but it's not one that germ theory addresses very well. It's not as simple as, eat well and exercise and you'll get sick less. It's TRUE but not always, there are many factors involved. Then, of course, there is the issue of viruses and the fact that many are too small to be seen or studied, yet they are assumed to cause disease. And the issue of probiotics and natural gut flora (which plays a role in susceptibility). In general there are too many issues to this theory, which is a relatively new one. I can find more sources for you, as I'm not the only one who doesn't believe in germ theory, but it will take me a bit to round them up.
Right, I'm not sure I can be convinced here if there aren't any sources cited. No rush, though.
ReplyDeleteDo you think you could provide a reason as to why people live longer than they did 30 years ago?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=sp_dyn_le00_in&idim=country:USA&q=average+life+expectancy
It seems to me that advances in medicine would be the main factor in increased life expectancy. Thoughts?
Anonymous 3,
ReplyDeleteIt is true that modern medicine is responsible for some increases in life expectancy. We now have pills and machines that can keep sick people alive much longer than they really should be. Remember Terry Schiavo? Modern medicine can prolong life, yes, but I wouldn't say it provides true health or quality life.
Other increases are due to better sanitation, access to all forns of health care )including alternative) and better nutrition (for those who choose it).
So does modern medicine extend life? Sure. But does it actually make us healthy? No.
What if your toddler doesn't decide that she wants to stop breastfeeding? How long would you let it go on?
ReplyDeleteAnonymous,
ReplyDeleteALL kids eventually self-wean. Most self-wean between 2 and 3 years of age. A few will continue until ages 4 - 7. The worldwide weaning age is around 4. It's a very rare child who nurses past 5, although it does happen.
I won't stop her. Very likely she'll wean in the next year. If not, then we'll go until she is ready to stop. She won't graduate high school, or even elementary school nursing, so it'll be fine. I am a firm believer that children have an emotional (as well as physical) NEED to nurse, and that when their needs are met, they will stop. I believe this applies to most areas of peoples' lives.
I knew someone who still nursed her kid when he was in first grade. He walked home at lunch every day and nursed. You have to wonder whose needs are being met in a case like that. The kid's NEED to nurse or the mom's need to have a "baby." In any event, the kid stopped when all of his classmates found out. YIKES! Who wants to be known for the rest of their life as the kid who was nursing in first grade?
ReplyDeleteAdditionally, if a kid's NEED is why they nurse, then why do some nursing kids still use a pacifier? Are they not nursing enough, or is nursing just somewhat satisfying their developmentally approriate oral fixation? Do your kids use pacifiers? If so, why isn't nursing meeting all of their oral fixation the needs?
Lastly, in what developed countries do kids typically nurse until age 4?
It is willow bark...my stories were confused. Oak is used for diarrhea, eczema, hemorrhoids, etc.
ReplyDeleteThat being said, don't forget that environment plays a HUGE part in illnesses. Back at school (4k people crammed into dorms, little sleep, and lots of stress) I got all sorts of really bad illnesses. Staph infection, highly advanced strep infection in my joints, pneumonia, UTIs, mono, etc. I had at least one major illness per year, not to mention the continual cold-like symptoms (can't breathe, sore throat, stuffed sinuses, headaches, etc.). I got out of there into my own apartment where I get adequate rest and get to eat what I want to, instead of what the dining hall was serving (which was never really fresh...even the salad veggies were frozen at a minimum during their travel to be our food...and they were always either overripe or underripe) and I have had 1 cold (and I got that when I was back in a dorm-type situation for a few weeks) and have lately been having a bit of an issue with my throat and sinuses. Oh, and that's in two years of living here. 1 cold, and 1 allergy issue.
That is, I think, because of:
1. not living in a place that bred illness like it was its job (our school had the highest infectious disease rate for the whole state)
2. eating much more healthily (getting veggies and fruits regularly
3. responsible probiotic and vitamin intake (my husband and I eat yogurt at least 3 times a week, and we take a multivitamin and glucosamine supplement to alleviate some joint issues)
I don't think you can point your finger and say that one thing in particular caused the change, because it is a combination, but eating fresh veggies and fruits has definitely helped, regularly supplementing our gut flora and taking vitamins to ensure we get enough has definitely helped, living location and other lifestyle choices (getting enough sleep, for one) has definitely helped.
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteDo you have any kids at all? Your comments on breastfeeding suggest that you don't.
I will be posting on extended and tandem nursing formally later, but you just happened to catch me at a sleep deprived moment, so you're going to hear my thoughts.
I don't care if children in developed countries "typically" nurse until age 4 or not. I'm sure I can't name any. But humans are biologically programmed to nurse roughly that long. It's the social stigma that they don't. I'm not interested in what society thinks I should do or what my kids should do, my goal as a parent is to meet their needs as best I can.
The reason I think you don't have kids is because you said "it's about the mother's need to have a baby." Umm...have you EVER tried to force a kid to do anything? Do you realize that's basically impossible? You can discipline a kid to do certain things, like clean up after themselves or not hit, but you can't MAKE them eat, or MAKE them sleep. And in the same way, you can't MAKE them nurse! Seriously, are you kidding? If I wanted my daughter to nurse and she didn't want to, she just would walk away...or struggle, squirm, scream, refuse to latch. That doesn't happen because I don't force her to nurse, but sometimes I have to hold her (you know, we're at the store and it's time to leave but she wants to go back to the toys) and that's what she does. Really? You think I could nurse her through that tantrum if she didn't want to?
As for pacifier use, some babies use them because they need to suck but no longer want any milk. For them nursing is primarily food and once they're full, they're done and getting more milk makes them mad. My son (5 months) uses a pacifier for this reason sometimes. My daughter does not (though she did for a few months when she was very little). Once they are older they abandon the pacifier, as nursing becomes their comfort. For my daughter, nursing was mostly just food until she was over a year, then it became comfort.
If you are truly interested in the subject of extended nursing, I suggest you go to www.who.int or www.kellymom.com or www.lll.org and do some research. But if you just think it's "weird" and you are going to try to get me to change my mind or stop or something, you can stop wasting your time right now. This is what is right for my family and I will defend it no matter what.
Reply from prior comment...
ReplyDelete"Remember Terry Schiavo?"...That is like the most extreme case there is.
"Modern medicine can prolong life, yes, but I wouldn't say it provides true health or quality life."...Not sure what you mean by this. I am sure millions of people, a few in my family included, are grateful for modern medicine allowing them to live longer and enjoy life. I am sure there are many cases where the medicine did not work either but that is what we call risk. My belief is the pros outweigh the cons by a large margin.
Modern medical advances can extend lives and life quality beyond what we used to be able to. However, I think it's getting a bit ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteHave you ever listened to the list of side effects on most drug commercials nowadays? I've heard one lately, for a rheumatoid arthritis drug, that's a bit ridiculous. Once you start taking it, you have to get checked regularly for tuberculosis as this drug apparently makes you more susceptible to it. It causes digestive problems, sleep problems, sexual problems, and, in rare cases, death.
One of my other favorite ones is for the 'get rid of your asthma symptoms' drug, Symbicort, I think it's called. Some of its side effects are asthma symptoms, except worse! A coworker's mom has fibromyalgia and she had been on 4 different drugs to try to manage the pain. The only problem with that is that each medicine worked for a while, but then they made her fibromyalgia symptoms worse. Now what good is there with a drug that makes your symptoms worse, not better?
The sidebar to this is that, in some cases, medicines really can make a difference. My grandmother was diabetic, and she died at a ripe old age of mid-80s. She couldn't have done that without her daily insulin shots. My grandfather's on heart medications that have kept him going much longer than he would have even 50 years ago. So while medicine can help, it should be thoroughly investigated and you should seriously discuss it with your doctor, spouse, and at least one other physician for at least a 2nd opinion.
One other thing - every child will choose when they're done nursing. My mom said that I stopped nursing at 7 months - I'd take pumped milk just fine, but I was done nursing. My brother, however, was around a year when he moved from breast to bottle. I'm not sure on my sister, but each child is different and will choose.
ReplyDeleteWow Kate! I guess I caught you at a bad time. I thought your blog etiquette rules applied to you as well, but it appears it is okay for you to attack people who question (not even disagree or even try to persuade)you. In the interest of having an adult discussion, I'll just chalk your "cranky-pants" attitude to being sleep-deprived instead of to mean-spiritedness.
ReplyDeleteActually, I have THREE children (yep-one more than you!) They were ALL breastfed for varying lengths of time between six and 12 months. As soon as they could manage a sippy-cup, they stopped nursing. They didn't need to be latched on to my breast in order for me (or my husband) to comfort them. They were gently cuddled, and I whispered or hummed softly to them when they needed comfort. Handling it this way allowed both parents to be nuturing and comforting. It's also a way of comforting them that is appropriate for the rest of their lives - even when they are adults.
I NEVER suggested you were MAKING your daughter nurse (I don't know WHERE you got that idea). At this point I'm sure it's a comforting habit (vs. food) for her. She will break the habit when she finds something different or more interesting to do. I really don't care if you nurse her until she's 40. It's totally your, and eventually her, decision.
As far as my comment that "it's the mother's need to have a 'baby'" is concerned, I said I wondered. I really don't know Mrs. George's motivation for nursing the kid until he was 7, but even you have to admit it is out of the ordinary. The kid WALKED HOME FROM SCHOOL AT LUNCH to nurse. I agree (from my parenting experience that actually exceeds yours) that it is difficult to make a 2 year-old do anything, but a parent CAN tell a 7 year-old that nursing is no longer an option. I think that direction could be given to a kid as young as two and they would learn a new way to comfort themselves or to be comforted by their parents (ie. holding gently, humming, etc. which are far healthier in the long run than using food as a means of comfort). As you said, it is just a source of comfort, not food, and comfort habits can be changed for different comfort habits. But, AGAIN, I really don't care how long or how many kids you or anyone else nurses, and I never tried to change your mind or anyone else's mind. (I do think it makes others uncomfortable when nursing mothers expose their breasts in public and think that the breast should be covered with a blanket or something when out in public.) I simply told an amusing story about a kid who actually did nurse in elementary school in response to your flippant comment that your kid won't be nursing in elementary school. No coersion or judgement was intended; relax.
I asked if you knew how long children in developed countries typically nurse becuase I was slightly curious. You posted your views on tandem and extended nursing on your blog, so you seemed like a good person to ask. Guess was I wrong! Instead of answering my questions, you went off on me and suggested I do my own research. Honestly, I don't find nursing all that interesting. It's a source of food just like a bottle, or a garden, or a cow.
I hope you're happy doing whatever it is you choose to do, but your nasty response makes it seems like you are miserable. Chill a little and try to follow your own etiquette rules.
You nurse your daughter when she has a tantrum in public? I agree that using nursing (food) as a comfort source could eventually become a problem. Food should be used to nourish and to provide energy for the body. I'd be worried that associating food with comfort could lead to unhealthy eating habits later on. Does this concern you?
ReplyDeleteEdith,
ReplyDeleteNo, I don't usually nurse her in public if she has a tantrum, although I do at home. My methods for dealing with a tantrum are varied and typically nursing is the best answer if she is having a tantrum because she is tired/hungry/not feeling well.
I don't worry about her associating comfort with food because she doesn't think of nursing as food, generally. She thinks about it as just comfort, like getting hugs or cuddles (and of course, we do that too, before and after nursing). Nursing for comfort isn't the same as, say, offering her a piece of candy or something for comfort, because nursing is being close to mommy. Food as comfort is a SUBSTITUTE for mommy, like "Here, eat this chocolate drop and stop crying" while mommy doesn't pay much attention. Nursing, on the other hand, is mommy's full attention, combined with sucking (which, of course, is comforting to all babies, but again, better than just putting a pacifier in their mouth and walking away). Does that make sense? Other forms of comfort -- "lovey" objects, pacifiers, food -- are substitutes, while nursing is mommy's attention and cuddles.
So no, I don't think she does, or will, associate comfort with food. In fact, in many cases if she hurts herself and is not too upset about it, I just offer hugs and kisses, not nursing. She finds this equally comforting most of the time. And someday when she no longer nurses, that is how she will still be comforted.
I read the "Further Reading" you recommended and that is guy is whacked! I can't beleive he said that if you eat properly and keep your bodiy's PH levels in balance that you will never need to see a medical practitioner of any kind. He also bodly states that he will avoid most of the medical issues of the 21st century such as cancer! This is really, really fringe thinking. Do you beleive as he does? Is this the type of person you want advising you on your health plan? What type of degree does he have?
ReplyDeleteI have seen the commercial for drugs that list the side-effects. Drug makers are required by law to give the side-effects. Since drugs are derived from plants, it is logical to assume that many of these "natural" plants would have the same side-effects. A difference is that natural remedies are not required to list side-effects. They're still dangerous; you just don't know it.
ReplyDeleteBob,
ReplyDeleteThe point you are trying to make about natural substances doesn't work that way. For example, take a look at sugar and high fructose corn syrup. They appear to function the same but they aren't broken down by the body in the same way. Or natural vitamin C and synthetic. Etc. etc. Deriving a drug from a natural substance, synthesizing it in a lab, and adding extra chemicals to it causes the side effects. It's NOT the original, active ingredient in its natural state that causes the side effects. Changing something ALWAYS causes further, unintended effects.
And I do think that modern medicine has its place -- but it is WAY WAY overused today. I think if you are living a completely natural lifestyle, avoiding drugs and chemicals and junk food, your chances of cancer are very, very low. What were cancer rates a hundred years ago when most people lived naturally? What are cancer rates today? It is far more environmental than people even want to admit, because they enjoy their "convenient" lifestyle. This isn't the place to discuss that, really, but I've touched on this plenty in my blog.
Here is a logical thought for you to ponder -Was science modern enough 100 years ago to even diagnose most cancers? Perhaps the rates have risen because the methods of detection have improved.
ReplyDeleteDo you really believe that people get cancer because they enjoy a modern lifestyle? If so, do you plan to eschew all modern conveniences such as your computer? Why, if you put the information out there, is this not the place to discuss "that"?
I hope you don't believe in karma, because you are really tempting fate with all of your cancer comments.
Bob,
ReplyDeleteNo, I don't believe in Karma, I believe in God.
I do believe that a lot of modern lifestyle does cause cancer, yes. And has been PROVEN to do so. Artificial sweeteners, nitrates, nitrites, DDT, etc. I could go on, but you get my point. Do you really think a life filled with chemicals, drugs, vaccines, pollution, etc. isn't going to raise your risk of cancer? Do you see the headlines everyday, "X CAUSES CANCER!"
Yes, diagnosis could account for SOME increase. But by no means does it account for all. A lot of proponents of modern medicine really like that argument (like, for the increase in autism over the last 20 years), but the numbers just don't add up. It's impossible that any condition would increase a few thousand percent and we just chalk it up to "better diagnosis." No way.
This is not the place to discuss "that" only because it is too lengthy a discussion. Better saved for future posts.
Also, no, I don't get rid of ALL modern conveniences. I use those which have the most minor risks. I don't see that using my computer is putting me at risk. Consuming poison does.
If I did get cancer, I'd be researching every alternative treatment on the planet, not subjecting myself to chemo. Believe me. But, that's my choice.
Ok, you believe in God. Have you ever heard the saying, "If you want to make God laugh, make a plan"? Same idea as karma.
ReplyDeleteGood luck - You are not indestructable; illness will happen to you or one you love. I hope people are nicer to you when it happens than you have been to them.
Bob,
ReplyDeleteI don't believe that God chooses to strike people down and make them sick just because they say they don't think they will get sick. That's a really sad view. Also, my entire goal is to learn to live God's way. To study the way He wants me to live (and that means in EVERY aspect of my life, including health) and to try to do things as close to that way as possible. Why would God cause me to get sick when I am trying to follow Him? Not that it CAN'T happen, but I don't believe that God is vengeful.
I am not "mean" or unsympathetic to people who are sick! These posts are my general thoughts on health and how people get sick. They are not targeted at people, I am not saying ANYTHING about any individual person or situation. Why do you not understand that? If someone comes to me and needs help, or asks me a question, or says "I am sick, can you help me research my options," I will absolutely help them! These posts are NOT intended to be rude or mean to others at all. I really wish that you, and others, would not read too much into what I write and look specifically for negative meanings. It makes me very sad that people feel the need to take my writing out of context and assign such horrible motives, when that is not my intention at all.
I wish true health to EVERYONE and I am trying to spread ideas about different ways to achieve that.
You will be more effective in spreading your ideas when you stop assigning blame to those who are sick.
ReplyDeleteI agree that God isn't vengeful. He did say, "Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me." Perhaps you should think about that when you pass judgement (too fat, don't eat correctly, make choices that you don't agree with) on those that are suffering - regardless of whether they suffer from choices they made or from choices God made for them.
Bob,
ReplyDeleteAgain, you misunderstand. I'm not telling people that they are too fat, eat poorly, etc. to shame them. I am promoting new knowledge about health so that they can consider making new choices. I am also holding them responsible for their lives. I am responsible for my life. In the last few days we've been out of town and I haven't eaten very well -- and now don't feel very well. That was my choice, my fault, something I need to live with. I'm not going to blame it on the people who prepared and served the food, the fact that I had limited options, etc. I'm taking responsibility for myself.
You also need to keep in mind this is the internet, it's hard to tell what people really mean, tone of voice, etc. I'm NOT trying to insult people at all. Or to blame them. Just to gently provide new information to them. God also asks us to hold people accountable and to speak gently into their lives. Telling people "You're wonderful and perfect just the way you are!" is very nice but not always truthful. In fact, NEVER truthful because no one but Jesus was perfect. It is better to gently say, "I know you are sick, and I have some ideas that could help you feel better. Do you think maybe making these dietary changes could help?" Individually I may or may not choose to say all this because some people are not yet ready to hear it. But, again, this is the internet. I put it out there and people can choose to read it -- or not.
Please try to believe the BEST rather than the WORST about people. It is very sad when you feel the need to assume the worst.
Kate-
ReplyDeletePerhaps you have a point about people assuming the worst based on the limited ability to communicate over the internet. I feel that often your tone and writing style are aggressive and a bit self-righteous, and you obviously think my tone and style assumes the worst about you (I don't). Your new post about God in your life is much gentler and kinder than so many of the other things you have written. I hope you will keep this up! You will certainly sway more readers with this tone and style!
I walked through a chemo ward today. I wish you could have seen it. Have you ever been in a chemo ward? That is what saddens me.
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