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We've been asked several times about my husband's job: initially, what he does, and upon finding out he works for a medical supply and pharmaceutical distribution company (yes, that's true), how it is not a conflict of interest for us to be against the medical industry. So, we thought we'd share with you a bit about our background and why we are where we are.
We met in 2005, when Ben was working as a manager for CompUSA. He was still in school then and hated the job, but needed to work full time at something that had evening/weekend hours. In March, 2006, he had a friend who had worked at CompUSA with him who had moved to Cardinal Health. He told Ben how flexible they were, so Ben interviewed and got a job with them. At this point we weren't exactly pro-pharmaceutical, but we sure weren't anti. We both used OTC drugs (Tylenol, Motrin, etc.) when we didn't feel well, and the cats we got in June 2006 were vaccinated.
In December, 2006, Ben began to suffer from chronic pain. We went to urgent care one night, and saw our regular doctor several times. She thought he had an infection and prescribed antibiotics, several courses. There was no change. She sent him to a specialist and they did several painful tests and tried more antibiotics. STILL no change. This went on for about a year, and ultimately chiropractic adjustments put an end to the pain. That was the beginning of us stepping back from the medical industry.
In July 2007, we were visiting my parents when Ben fainted and got taken to the emergency room. He was pretty annoyed by this because he had fainted before and he knew what was going on. The doctors there would not take a history and would not listen to us about anything. They ran a million tests and found nothing (they even ran neurological tests!). We began to suspect that they were doing so many because we have really good health insurance. My grandmother is a retired nurse, and had given us Phenergan in the past when we were sick (it is an antihistamine but commonly used for anti-nausea) and we knew this would help (he gets really sick when he wakes up from fainting). They ignored us for several hours and finally gave it to him...and then he was fine. Later, we learned from doing our own research and talking to family members that he has something called "Situational syncopea" which basically means certain types of overstimulation can cause him to lose consciousness. There's nothing that can be done but avoiding the triggers. This wasn't helping our opinion of doctors.
In January 2008, we had a bad experience at the hospital with Bekah's birth. At one point I was about 4 cm dialated and in a lot of pain. I said I could handle it, even with an IV and sitting in bed, if I was just left alone. The doctor called (she didn't come in until less than ten minutes before Bekah was born) and insisted on talking only to ME (wouldn't talk to Ben, even though I was having contractions every two minutes) and said "This is a hospital, we move things along here. If you don't like it, you can go home. You're getting your water broken." Several more things were pushed on me -- pitocin (apparently, according to the monitor, my contractions weren't strong enough -- that is CRAP because 18 months later I delivered my son at home with the exact same labor pattern), stitches, Motrin, epidural, etc. This, too, turned us against doctors/drugs.
My daughter's few illnesses turned us further, her allergy issues further still (our chiropractor wants to have her hair tested for chemicals, because since we removed the city water from her diet and limited baths, she's slept through the night 10 days in a row, we're going on a record number of nights in a row now. He thinks it is chemical sensitivities and if we can get the stuff out of her body, we can heal her). Our own research and experiences healing on diet and other natural remedies turned us further too. Even just Bekah's situation now, it seems that we are the ones who observe her and figure out what's going on! Yes, one problem is that doctors simply are not there everyday and do not observe the patients, do not have enough time to spend with them. But they also like to jump in and treat symptoms and not look for underlying problems.
So, anyway, when Ben took his job, we were not anti-pharmaceutical. That has come over time with various experiences we've had. At this point, Ben is in a rather advanced field: continuous auditing. This means that through using computer programs, he is able to check all of the company's issues (employee databases, spending accounts, etc. -- all that stuff companies need to operate) instead of looking at only a sampling, which is the way auditing was previously done. He is leading this shift and it is a passion for him. His goal, someday down the road (5-7 years), is to work on this area for a number of different companies. At this point he is unable to do that because it is just too new of an area.
There is also the plain fact that Ben has to have a job. We are slowly transitioning our lifestyle to where we want to be; we aren't there yet. Ideally we will move to a farm, and Ben will work from home, consulting for various businesses. That is where we are heading, but it can't happen overnight. We have talked about Cardinal and conflicting interests many times, though. I'll let him explain that to you. :)
Like Kate said, I had been working for them for about 2 years before we started taking serious strides toward alternative medicine/treatments. Since I've now been there for nearly four years and the fact that first and foremost I work to provide for my family, I have good reason to stay. Even if I completely disagreed with what Cardinal does, my family still comes first, obviously, though I would be adamantly searching for a new job.
That being said, I has been pointed out that Cardinal is primarily a pharmaceutical distributor and since we're now firmly anti-drug, that should be a conflict. Well, yes and no. First of all, Cardinal makes most of its profit (percentage wise) from its Medical Product and Manufacturing division. (Cardinal is the largest manufacturer of surgical gloves and instruments in world, and also makes tons of other product - feel free to search it) Obviously Cardinal is going to expand the businesses that a) the consumer wants most and b) makes them the most money. As consumers shift away from drug based care, Cardinal will follow. They are not the problem, the end users (aka doctor/hospital/pharmaacist) is.
The second main reason is that I do firmly believe that drugs can help people. What did I just say!? Seeing as how November is diabetes awareness month, I'll use that. I've seen various studies that say that most diabetes is preventable. I've seen some that say in up to 95% of cases it can be shown that the person's weight was the primary cause. So where does that leave our beliefs and Cardinal? Well, obviously the best course of action was to not be overweight, exercise, eat right, and avoid all the risk factors, especially if it runs in the family. On the other hand, even if a person ignores all warnings and common sense and basically causes their own diabetes, I still think that they should have the ability to buy insulin to prevent their death.
The simple truth is that most people will not take proper care of themselves, and at some point will need a "treatment" to fix a problem. Since most people believe drugs are the answer, that will be the option of choice for most. Even if my family will never use drugs, we will still use many of the products Cardinal supplies (like gloves, gauze, etc. which we purchased for our son's home birth).
In the end, at this point I feel that I can do good inside the organization by changing the hearts and minds of my coworkers. While there is a part of me that feels a conflict, this is very minimal to me. Once you go down that path of being super critical, it will never end. We're pro-life, so does that mean we can't shop at Dairy Queen? (Until 2003, DQ's parent company Berkshire Hathaway used to donate to pro-choice groups.) If you look deep enough, you can find a problem with every person and company. We are choosing to look at the intent of the company, and not nitpick. I would totally agree that working for a pharmaceutical manufacturer would be a total conflict of interest for us. In Cardinal's case, I think they are doing much more good than evil, and even if it's not ideal at this point, we can live with it.
There you have it! Thanks Ben. :)
Are there other questions? How do you balance your real life with your ideal life?
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I have seen studies stating that many people who have type II diabetes may have been able to prevent it by not being overwieght. However, type I diabetes is an auto-immune disorder and the children who get it are usually NOT overweight. In fact, many of these sick children are quite thin. Were the various studies you read refering to type I or type II diabetes? If type I diabetes was included as preventable, please provide a citation for the study. Type I diabetes runs in both my family and my husband's family, and I would love to know how to prevent it in our children.
ReplyDeleteI looked at Cardinal Health's website and found the following:
ReplyDeleteClinical technologies and services: $2.7 billion revenue; 7,200 employees
Medical products and technologies (ie. surgical gloves): $1.8 billion revenue; 14,200 employees
Healthcare supply chain services - medical: $7.5 billion revenue; 9,800 employees
Healthcare supply chain services - PHARMACEUTICAL: $76.6 billion revenue; 10,1000 employees
I'm not much of a math person, but even I can add the revenue from the three divisions that are non-pharmaceutical and come up with $12 billion in revenue versus the $76.6 billion generated from the pharmaceutical division. That's a difference of $64.6 billion!!!
Revenue-wise the medical products division is the smallest ($1.8 billion). Percentage-wise the medical products division may have had the largest growth, but it has a long way to go until it reaches the $76.6 billion in revenue generated by the pharmaceutical division.
You can present the information any way you wish, the fact remains that Cardinal Health is primarily a pharmaceutical distribution company.
By the way, if I were as strongly pro-life as you are anti-medical establishment, I wouldn't eat at Dairy Queen. Kate said Ben could get a job at a number of other companies, why not do so and not compromise?
Thanks for all that info! I'm a new reader to your blog, so I appreciate all the background info.....ESPECIALLY what you said about Situational Syncopea...I'm going to have to look into that because as a child, I too had unexplainable fainting. Drs did all kinds of tests, never found anything. As an adult, its been a VERY long time since I've passed out....sometimes I wonder if it was something I outgrew. I remember growing up fearing that I would pass out in labor one day, since my fainting seemed to be brought on by stress and pain. However, three kids later (one c-section and two unmedicated VBACs!!!) I never ONCE passed out from the pain....Praise God!
ReplyDeleteAs far as drugs go, I tend to think more on the natural side as well.....for lots of reasons, one being that taking a tylenol for a headache never really worked for me, but taking a hot bath, relaxing, taking a nap....that worked! I am curious to look more into natural treatments for allergies. I have none (again, Praise God!) but my husband has HORRIBLE allergies (seasonal, environmental & food) and has to resort to taking medication in order to keep it in check (or clear up an attack). Of our three children, one of them also is showing signs of food allergies and I'm starting to think she may have some seasonal/other allergies as well. So far we just work real hard at building up the immune system (probiotics, etc) and we can avoid certain foods, but I don't know what exactly I'll do if there are seasonal/environmental issues.
Anyway, thanks again for the post! Happy Thanksgiving and may God bless you and your family!
I think you forgot to post my comment about the revenue generated by Cardinal Health. You may remember receiving something stating that 76.6 BILLION dollars of the company's revenue is generated by the pharmaceutical division. Ben said we should look up the company, and I did. Please post it so your readers know all of the facts about your life choices. Thanks!
ReplyDeleteGee, the info about the revenue from Cardinal, you know the $76.6 BILLION from pahrmaceutical distribution versus the $ 1.8 billion in medical products, still hasn't made the blog comments. Why?
ReplyDeleteI think it's great that Ben is working to change the hearts and minds of his co-workers! I'm glad that Cardinal makes most of it's profit from products like gloves and gauze and not drugs. It's also fantastic that Cardinal will move toward the direction of the customer, since there is definitely a huge movement toward alternative medicine these days. Thanks for the explanation!
ReplyDeleteI’m going to address all three of your posts at once, Anonymous (That would be the negative Nancy Anonymous)
ReplyDeleteLet me yet again give you kudos on being steadfast enough in your opinions to post your name, instead of hiding behind a veil of anonymity.
We didn’t forget to post your comments, nor are we hiding from criticism. Maybe, and this is just a shot in the dark here, we were actually spending our time with our family on Thursday and Friday for a little known national holiday called Thanksgiving. Unlike some people, running a blog is of lesser importance then our family.
Second, we’ve been pretty clear on the whole, “getting another job issue”. I’m in an extremely specialized field, and as such, there are very few companies that would hire me in that regard. I love what I do, and since I don’t feel conflict working at Cardinal, and my bosses there don’t have a problem with my lifestyle either, I don’t feel forced into making a change right now. (either taking a large pay cut or changing professions) Like any person, if a better opportunity comes along, I will certainly evaluate it. In fact, I did get an offer with another company earlier this year but it would have taken us far away from our families. (90% of both Kate and my families live within just a few hours of us) Again, family is more important. In the end, the only opinions that matter is ours and Cardinals, neither of which you represent, therefore your opinion is moot.
To come around to the crux of your argument; it’s refreshing to see that you a) actually used the link I provided and b) actually READ what I said. Seeing as how you did neither, I’ll start with correcting you. First of all, the info you provided is NOT accurate. A few months ago Cardinal spun off the CTS subsidiary and completely restructured the company. Second, just because a division is called “Pharmaceutical” doesn’t mean that Kate and I would be at odds with everything they do. There are literally hundreds of subsidiary companies that operate in many, many, completely different fields that make up that number. Since I will not reveal any information about the operations of the company other then what was in the 10q I linked, suffice it to say that the picture isn’t nearly as dark as you’re trying to paint it.
Third, I didn’t actually say anything about REVENUES, I said PROFITS. Apparently since you both can’t read and don’t understand basic economics, let me clue you in. Revenues don’t matter. Do you think that I want to work at General Motors (who has revenues of 150 billion compared to Cardinal’s 100 billion)? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that a company that is losing 31 billion a year (in profit) isn’t a place you want to be. That being said, DISTROBUTION is not a very profitable business. There are many companies that compete in this field and at the end of the day, customers care about cost the most.
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ReplyDeleteSeeing how you completely missed the point the first time, and instead tried to argue points that you will never understand as well as I do, let me make it completely clear.
ReplyDelete1) Kate and I are not completely against the USE of drugs, we are against using them personally. There are many circumstances where it becomes necessary, like the diabetes example I gave before, where as compassionate human beings we’d rather the person get drugs and live, then die because of their poor lifestyle choices. (even though the disease probably could have been prevented in the first place.)
2) Cardinal makes most of its profits from things we are not against. Manufacturing gloves, medical equipment, etc… we don’t have a problem with at all. Kate and I have both said many times that from a surgery perspective, like accidents, gunshot wounds, etc… we are extremely supportive of these types of things. Those doctors are saving lives that have no chance of living any other way. Since Cardinal supplies equipment for over 50% of the surgeries in America, let’s just say that they’re doing alright in that field.
3) Even if we DID have a problem with what Cardinal does, which we don’t, that is a personal choice we made. Any article we post that is presenting facts, feel free to way in. Your thoughts in regards to our personal choices DO NOT MATTER. We could have chosen to not disclose this information, but unlike most, we didn’t hide it, we openly explained our bias. When we feel personally convicted or the opportunity is right, we MAY make a change, but that will be our own personal decision. In the end, taking care of my family ranks much higher than my lifestyle, not trying to appease random strangers on the internet.
Anonymous -- To my knowledge there is no way to prevent type I diabetes. Just type II. And I think most people know how to prevent type II: healthy diet, low in sugar, exercise, maintain a healthy weight, etc. Wish I did know something, but I think type I is something that just happens to people, unfortunately.
ReplyDeleteKrista -- I hope you are able to find out more to help your family! Thanks for commenting!