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Friday, January 8, 2010

Our Story: Part 1

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Today's post is the first in my series on Godly relationships and family life. I thought I would start by sharing our story with you -- how Ben and I met and got married, for this first part.

It was January, 2005. I had broken up with my previous boyfriend in May of 2004, but we had remained close until the end of 2004. It was only in January 2005 that I was able to admit that it was really and truly over between us. I sat down then, and wrote out how I was feeling, and that I felt I was finally ready to start searching for "the one." I was 19, almost 20 (okay, do the math...now you know how old I am!). I wrote out a long list of characteristics: nerdy, into computers, not into sports, tall, big build, religious, local. Then I set it aside and started going to online dating sites.

I met a few guys, and had a few dates. They were all perfectly nice, but...just not for me. I never went on a second date with any of them. In May, I found a Christian dating site. On the general dating sites I'd tried, so many guys seemed into drinking, partying, and having sex outside of marriage -- which I was not. My first experience on the Christian site was, WHOA! There were so many awesome guys with the same values I had. There was one profile in particular that caught my attention...Wattsdude. I looked at several profiles and sent many guys "smiles," but that one...at first, I just clicked off it. But I kept coming back to it. I stared at the picture for a long time. The guy was tall, kind of angry-looking, and standing far back. It was hard to see any details of his features. But somehow, I thought, "I could see myself married to this guy." So I sent him a smile.

The next day he sent me an IM (I'd sneakily put my screen name in my profile). I responded, and we talked for HOURS! I went to bed that night feeling...awesome, special. This was really something. His name was Ben.

Every night for the next week, we talked for hours and hours. Ben was working second shift as a retail manager then, and usually got home between 10 and 11. I would wait, eagerly anticipating his arrival, and we would talk until 3 or 4 in the morning. Sometimes even longer. He said I made him smile, and no one made him smile. I ran downstairs several times to tell my mom things we were talking about. He understood things I thought and felt like no one ever had before.

Then he suggested we meet in person, have a date. He lived two hours away from me, but was willing to drive to me. His location, by the way, was the ONLY thing that did not meet the criteria I'd written out in January! I agreed.

By that time I was in summer school. I remember driving home from school the morning of our first date, filled with hope, and...love. I knew I was in love with him and I hadn't even met him yet. (I learned later that on his way to meet me, he called his sister and told her that he thought he was in love with me, too, and felt we would get married.)

I saw him walking up the driveway that night...he was TALL! (He is 6'2" almost and I am 5'3.") We were so very nervous. We went out for a walk, then out to dinner. He told me all kinds of ridiculous things, lecturing me on why Walmart was good and technology was awesome and telling me how special he is. But, you'd have to know him to understand, he wasn't saying it to be pompous, he was earnest, eager, innocent. He did, and does, tell it like it is and he's not afraid to say things that many others are.

We parted that night, afraid to even get near one another, but agreed to a second date. This time when I said that, I meant it.

We continued to talk for hours every single night. Ben came to see me the following week, and this time we hung out with some friends, went miniature golfing, and watched a movie at my house. He spent some time messing with my parents' computer. I stood behind him, wanting to put my hands on his shoulders, a bit nervous about doing so, and thought, "I could see myself married to this guy." That was when I knew.

In the next few weeks we started to talk about getting married. By the time I'd known him only a month, I knew if he asked me to marry him right then, I would. We would get to know each other more and figure everything else out later. I was absolutely sure I would marry him. I remember going out with friends on June 18th (just over a month after we'd met, and only days after we started "officially" dating -- which, by the way, amounted to him asking me over IM "so are we boyfriend and girlfriend or what?") and telling them, "Do not be surprised to see me engaged by the end of the year."

I visited him for the first time in mid-June, around the time we started dating (actually, we had the "are we dating" conversation that night, after I drove home). I was nervous to drive so far alone but I did. I was so emotional and crazy and excited to be with him. We drove around, and talked, and went bowling, and watched a movie. I was still afraid to touch him or even get too close. But strangely I felt totally comfortable. It was like coming home. That night was the first time we ever hugged each other...even though we were still both pretty nervous!

Soon after, we got into seriously talking about marriage. By mid-July we were sure we would get married. Ben had met my parents a couple times, very briefly. I hadn't met his. We shared our first kiss in mid-July, and said "I love you" for the first time on July 22nd (it's in my journal and it's exactly a year and a week before our wedding!). We talked on the phone now, for hours, and told each other every story we could think of, and spent time each night praying before hanging up. We both prayed for each other and for our relationship, and for other things going on in our lives. We also prayed separately that God would show us the way and bless us if we were meant to be together. We felt sure God had intended us for each other.

In mid-August, Ben decided to take me home to visit his family. There's something you need to understand -- I was his very first girlfriend, ever. His family had teased him for years about never dating, and about how tight-lipped he typically was about his personal life. They barely knew anything about me, other than that we had been dating for a couple months, and he was bringing me for the weekend. I was so nervous, but the second I walked into his parents' home, his mother hugged me and welcomed me. I felt so comfortable being there and talking to everyone. I had never been so comfortable in a new place before, when I was essentially surrounded by a bunch of strangers.

The next morning (keep in mind I met most of his family, including his parents, for the very first time the night before), we got up (from our separate bedrooms!) and had breakfast. We sat and talked while his mother cleaned the kitchen, and just as she was about to walk out of the room, Ben said, "Mom, we have something we want to tell you." (Now, I can only imagine what was going through her head at this point...looking at her 20-year-old son sitting there, eager and goofy with his very first girlfriend, whom she didn't know at all.) She came and sat down. Ben tossed his arm around my shoulders and we looked at each other, all silly and excited, and he said, "We're, um...thinking about getting married next year." His mother just looked at us, and said, "Okay...."

We spent the next hour discussing all of this. His mother was trying to process through all of this...so much at once! Towards the end of the discussion, his father walked into the room. Ben told him our news, and his father just grinned and said, "Yeah, I can see that." He wasn't surprised in the least.

At the end of the weekend, we drove back to my parents' house. They weren't home, and Ben had to leave. But when they got there, I told them our plans. My mom laughed. My dad seemed a bit upset. The ironic part (I learned later) was that while I was gone, my dad told my mom "If it goes well this weekend, they're going to get married." And my mom said, "No way! It's not that serious." Our fathers somehow knew that we were meant to be, while our mothers worried more.

We began planning our wedding in September. By this time, I was driving down and staying with Ben every weekend. He had roommates, so I stayed in his room but slept on the air mattress across the room. We did lots of fun things, and even just hung out (this started his journey to eating better...he'd take me grocery shopping and I'd shake my head when he started to fill the cart with frozen pizzas and fries, so he'd say "Fine! Tell me what to buy," and we'd shop and cook together).

At Christmas, Ben's grandparents picked me up and took me to his parents' house (there were many, many other interesting adventures in there, of the times I met his grandparents, etc. but I don't have time to tell it all now). It was Christmas Eve. Ben said, "Let's take our suitcases upstairs so they're not in the way." His sister had hugged me twice by then, which I thought was a little weird, but whatever. I agreed. We went upstairs and Ben (who was wearing gray sweatpants and a Napoleon Dynamite t-shirt, something I never let him forget) started talking to me. Then he said, "Well, I need to change my pants," and went to close the door. I was really surprised -- didn't he want me to leave the room before he did that? Unlike a lot of couples, we were waiting until we got married and I'd never seen him undressed at all. But, nervously, I went with it. He came over to talk to me again, then got down on one knee, pulled a ring box from beneath the bed, and said, "Will you marry me?" Of course I said yes! (After that I did leave the room and he changed, lol.)

We went downstairs and everyone else knew exactly what had been going on upstairs, and they were all thrilled. He'd driven up the night before and had shown everyone the ring and had told them his plans. I make fun of him all the time for the way he proposed, but he said that if he'd gotten dressed up and taken me out somewhere nice, I would have immediately known. That's true, because Ben hates getting dressed up and going out, so doing so would have meant something big. He said he preferred to surprise me. I wasn't entirely surprised because he had promised to propose by the end of the year and it was Christmas, but I didn't know where or when he was going to do it exactly.

Our wedding date was set for July 29th, 2006. We continued to pray and plan and were so excited to start our lives together. It was torture not being able to be together every second of every day. By May I was spending 5 days a week here (he already owned the house we live in now) and only 2 days at my parents'. The more intimate details of our courtship, I'll skip...but suffice to say that we did wait until we were married.

Anyway, we were married on July 29th and we began our life together! It was wonderful and we feel so blessed and happy to be together. We are sure that God brought us together and we are just thrilled with our life.

More on our story (including children) later....

How did you meet your spouse? Do you feel God brought you together?

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33 comments:

  1. I've read that debit cards don't have the same security if they are lost or stolen as credit cards have. If someone gets your card number and PIN, they have access to all of the cash in that account opposed to the $50. responsibility you have with a credit card.

    The consumer reporter for our newspaper says to NEVER use a debit card, so there are definitely two schools of thought amongst the financial advising community.

    Since I buy things online, I use a credit card for the theft protection. I know you have mentioned shopping online. Aren't you worried about someone stealing your information and accessing your acouunt(s)?

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  2. Anonymous,

    This is really posted under the wrong post, but I wanted to answer it.

    Some debit cards DO come with the extra protection -- you have to ask your bank. If the debit card has a credit symbol on it (VISA or Mastercard), it should have the same protection as credit, even though it is really a debit card. Most debit cards are these now.

    And no, I'm not worried about it. Ben lost his wallet once and we canceled everything and were not liable. As for online payments, Paypal is also a good option and is perfectly secure.

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  3. I like your story, but I can't grasp how you knew you wanted to marry Ben after only knowing him for a month! People must have told you you were CRAZY! Do you think this is how all or most marriages are formed? That is, is there a moment when you just "know"? What were you doing when you were 19 or 20 that you could spend 5 days a week at his house? Did you feel you really "knew" him when you married him or were there surprises? I just can't believe how quickly it all happened for you! I hope everything continues to run smoothly =)

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  4. I was wondering some similar things to Careen. Were your parents supportive of you spending five days a week at Ben's house? My parents would have considered that "living together." They refused to help pay for any part of my wedding if I lived with my husband before getting married. Looking back, I see there point - playing house is not the same as committing to a lifelong partnership.

    Will you be supportive of Bekah living with her boyfriend as you did, particularly at such a young age? Will you be supportive of her looking for a husband online?

    Also, didn't you have a job or school to attend? How did you find the time to be at Ben's five days a week? Did you get married before graduating from college (I'm assuming you graduated but perhaps I'm wrong). I think I would want my daughters to graduate and support themselves for a while so that they KNOW that they never have to stay in a bad relationship. That way they will know they can take care of themselves and not need a husband to take care of them.

    What are your hopes for your children? Were your parents supportive of your decision to marry so quickly and so young?

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  5. The credit cards with the Visa or Mastercard symbold were EXACTLY the ones the consumer reporter said to avoid at all costs. She said the kind with just a bank logo are better. I don't remember why. Do you have any insights as to why she would say to avoid, in particular, the Visa/Mastercard debit cards? You are right, Paypal is a good option. They only have your checking account information.

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  6. Anonymous,

    I searched online and can't find a reason why the reporter would say that -- there were other reasons why one would avoid debit cards, but that wasn't one of them, and that issue wasn't even mentioned in all the articles I looked at. So I really don't know if I'd trust that opinion since I can't find any verification for it. Usually if something is true, more than one person has said it! I'd look into that more carefully if you are concerned, but since I can't find a single source who agrees, I don't buy it.

    Liz/Careen,

    Our parents were totally freaked out that we wanted to marry so quickly. BUT they had nothing to say! My parents were 23 and 25 when they married just 6 months after they met (and none of their parents met the other until their wedding!); Ben's parents were 21 and 33 when they married, barely a year after meeting. For us at 21 and 14 months after meeting, well, it was really longer than any of them! Which we pointed out. :) The only time I was with Ben 5 days a week was the last few weeks before we were married. I worked only on weekends so I went back to my parents' then, and I was out of school for the summer. I hadn't graduated yet, but I did finish after we were married and I do have my degree now. Our parents were worried about that...but it worked out. And they understood that we felt that we were right for each other and that the timing was right, and we had their blessing.

    I do feel like we knew each other well when we got married. There weren't really any "surprises," just the usual adjustment period that all newlyweds go through. People did tell us we were crazy. :) And I do think for a lot of people, they just "know" when they meet the right one. I've heard that from many people. I have some friends who met on the missions field in some foreign country, then returned to their homes (sometimes very, very far apart) and got married not long after the missions trip ended so they could stay together. One couple has been happily married for at least 3 years; the other for 15 I think (actually the latter is the pastor who married us)! Sometimes it just happens fast.

    Finally, before I met Ben my plan was to graduate, get my own apartment and get a "real" job (I was teaching music privately then, but I mean get a job as a school music teacher after graduation). I found this idea very depressing. I knew I could, and of course I still could get a job if I wanted or needed to. But I hated my first year at college, in a dorm. I left that school and moved back in with my parents because I wanted to be surrounded by family. And I wanted to go straight from my parents' house to my husbands' house. And I did. I would want that for Bekah. I would have faith that any boyfriend she had, especially any she was very serious with, was a truly good guy whom we knew well and that we would give them our blessing to marry. I'll be talking about that a lot more in future blog entries. As for looking online -- it's a bit unorthodox, yes, but I felt that I needed to find a man who truly measured up to my standards, and I just didn't think I'd find him at a club or a bar, or even at school or church. Not in the situation I was in (I was in fairly small groups, limited selection). I wouldn't be unhappy if Bekah decided to look online because I would expect they'd meet in person well before they decided to get married...or at least tell me so at first. :)

    I hope that answers your questions. And by the way, we were often staying in separate rooms, or at least separate beds when we were staying together, and my father frequently came down during the week to help me paint, clean, move furniture, etc. So for the few weeks I was here a lot before marriage we were quite busy and our families were involved. :)

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  7. Liz,

    Kate didn't really make our situation completely clear, but the 6 months before we got married, I was working a full time job, a part time job, and going to school full time. Kate was going to school and working on Saturday. I graduated a month before we got married, and Kate graduated just under a year afterward. Since we lived 2 hours apart, we literally would never have seen each other if we didn't stay overnight.

    I stayed in her parents guest room when I was there, and Kate slept on an air mattress in my room. I should also point out that I had 4 roommates in the house as well, so it wasn't exactly living together.

    That being said, I decided to not have sex before marriage, and to not live together before marriage from a young age. The only reason I bent on that rule, in terms of her staying the night, was because of our distance situation. I'm not saying that it was the best decision for a Godly person to make, even though it was only for a few months before we got married, but honestly we were both crazy in love at the time.

    In terms of our kids, I would absolutely support them, or anyone for that matter, meeting people online. I know that it has a bad reputation because there are some freaks out there, but I think that 95% of people are honest.

    As far as living together, I hope that our kids are stronger then we were. We all make mistakes in our intemperate youth, and I'm glad the worst mistake I made was sort of living together for a few months.

    Your last paragraph is more of a difficult one to answer. Kate and I believe in what the Bible says; that the wives role is to stay home while I support the family. Now some people might say that she is being submissive, or any number of negative things, but in my mind, what she does is far more important then what I do.

    Raising kids is the single most important thing that we will do in life, and Kate's role as a mom is far more important then my job. In addition, my health is considerably better now then it ever has been, because of all the effort she spends in preparing 100% home cooked meals, among other things.

    Of course for the Biblical system to work, the man has to have these kinds of values. Unfortunately, most men feel that they are the important ones because they earn all the money. If Rebekah met a man like me, nothing would make me prouder then her making the ultimate sacrifice to stay home and raise her children, even if that meant never having a job after college. For the record, my mom never had a job until after my sister started college.

    I hope our kids have the same experience that we did. Yes, our parents were supportive because both sets married quickly after they met. If you truly know who you want to marry, before you met them, once you do, there is no reason to wait. We believe that you get married to date, not the other way around. Once you know it's the right person, you spend the rest of your life getting to know them.

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  8. Ben and Kate-

    It sounds like your situation worked out. My grandma used to say, Marry in haste and repent at your leisure." I guess it's good that the repenting part isn't something you're experiencing!

    Ben- It's nice that you value Kate's role as a mother. You are correct that parenting is more important than a job, but it is a BLESSING not "the ultimate sacrifice." What, exactly, do you think is being sacrficied?

    Kate - It's too bad that you picked a career that you anticipated to be depressing. Why didn't you choose differently (change majors, etc.)? It seems from your comments about moving back to your parent's that you are a person who likes to be surrounded by family. I do too, but I also think knowing you are able to care for yourself, taking TOTAL responsibility for yourself and not relying on anyone else, is a very empowering experience. I think it's something every young adult, girls as well as boys, should experience - just like Ben apparently did.

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  9. Liz,

    I should clarify -- it wasn't the career I found depressing (I found teaching very fulfilling until I had kids, at which point I preferred to be with them). It was the idea of living alone, not sure what the next step of my life was. I knew I wanted to marry and have kids, and ideally, when I was young. So I was quite happy to meet Ben and be able to do that!

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  10. Kate-

    Sorry, it sounded like you were unhappy with the career path you were on. I didn't realize you actually were a school music teacher and that you liked it.

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  11. Ben,

    What if Rebekah did NOT want to "make the ultimate sacrifice"? What if she chose to have a career and sent any children she had to day care? Would you still be proud? I'm just wondering because you said "nothing would make me prouder." Will you be disappointed if she chooses to have a different lifestyle than your own?

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  12. Carreen,

    Of course I wouldn't be disappointed in her. My dad's dream growing up was being involved in sports and to this day is something very important to him. I, on the other hand, pretty much hate everything to do with sports. Do you think my dad is disappointed in me? Quite the contrary.

    Being a parent isn't about making mini versions of yourself. I said it the way I did because unfortunately most people think that a woman who stays home with her kids is a second class citizen; that somehow her life has no meaning if she doesn't have a career.

    I will love her unconditionally no matter what she chooses to do with her life. Whether she stays home, like my mom, my mother-in-law, and Kate, or she chooses to work like both my sisters. There is no wrong answer, and it will be something that each of out children decide for themselves.

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  13. Reading this story makes me have to laugh, because I remember being one of the people who told Kate she was crazy that she wanted to marry Ben after knowing him for such a short time. Having gotten married myself since then, I really don't think it's that crazy, and I'll attempt to explain my thinking.

    Too many people think that love is some sort of never-ending fairy tale. You meet the person, you know immediately he/she is the one, you get married, and you never fight about anything. You agree on everything, and life is full of smiles and happiness. If you're taking the world's definition of love, this usually involves having sex and the hormones are out of the roof, and you think that he/she is perfect. The problem is that hormone one, which is only made worse by sex. If you abstain from it (which my husband and I did, although, like Kate and Ben, we weren't as faithful to being completely abstinent...no sex, but we were crazy for each other), your judgment is clearer, and you can actually address any issues you two have to - fighting doesn't have to happen because you're less defensive as you haven't completely bared yourself to them (literally), and you don't feel as betrayed if they're frustrated or angry with you.

    I wish we were still in our grandparents' time, when two people in love made a commitment to each other forever and meant it. They didn't expect fairy tales out of their marriage, they realized that it was going to be hard and they would have to work at it. But they made a decision and they stuck with it. It doesn't sound as romantic if you describe it that way, but love isn't a happy feeling. That's, well, hormones. And a lot of the time, you'll have that when you meet someone and you'll have that sporadically throughout your relationship with them. Love is that decision; it's waking up early to make them breakfast before work even though you hate mornings, it's taking out the trash even if you don't want to, because you know it will make them happy. Love is a decision, and that's why people claim they fall out of love - if you think love is that tingly feeling in your stomach (or elsewhere), then when the tingles stop you don't have what you think is love anymore.

    That being said, I think that Kate and Ben had plenty of time to realize that they were compatible enough to be married in the amount of time they were together before getting engaged and married. I was fairly certain before my husband and I started going out that I'd marry him. We started going out a few weeks later, just under two years later we were engaged, 5 months later we were married, and 7 months later we're enjoying marriage. It's not always rainbows and ribbons and giggles, but I love him. I still get the tingles too. :) We are newlyweds, after all!

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  14. Kate-

    At what school did you teach?

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  15. Winifred,

    I never did get a job after graduation. But I ran my own music school, teaching privately 5 - 10 hours per week up until recently (although I was only teaching 1 student after Daniel was born). I taught privately for about 8 years.

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  16. Emma- I think you have to understand that life in our "grandparents' time" still included things like adultery and abuse in many forms. While many couples stayed together because they made a commitment (or more realistically the woman had no other option than to stay) it caused just as much grief and sorrow as it does today (and as divorce does too.) There's always too sides to the story and the grass is always greener on the other side right?

    I'd also like to point out that acts of service (taking out the trash) should never be done to make another person happy. I don't ever want my husband or kids to think they have to do "things" to make me happy. My joy comes from within and like Ben posted earlier, I love my family members unconditonally. I take out the trash and do laundry because that's what needs to be done to make our home function. We all pitch in to make our household run and our happiness stems from God, the "author and redeemer of us all."

    Kate- Darren and I met at our home church in Pennsylvania though we did not start dating until much later when I came out here to go to college. I fully believe it was God who brought us together and though our path is very different from yours and Ben's, our faith is the same. Darren is 7 years older than me and was living out here for a previous girlfriend. We saw each other at our home church the summer before I started college and in talking, soon found out I would be going to college in the town he lived in! Had we not seen each other that day we never would have crossed paths here in Columbus. We started hanging out... then dating after I came to school. We dated for 4 years before we married! Though we didn't abstain from sex before marriage, looking back, I wouldn't have changed a thing. There's a lot of story to be told and too much to post here. God works in miraculous ways.

    Liesel

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  17. Kate-

    Five to 10 hours aweek sounds more like a hobby than a job. Are you asying you've never held a real, full-time, professional job? How on earth would you care for yourself and your children if Ben lost his job?

    I agree with Liesel. women in our grandmother's time had just as much adultery and abuse. They stayed in unhappy marriages from lack of choice because they had no way to get jobs that would support them and their children. All women should be educated and should have the knowledge that they can take care of themselves. This knowledge comes from actually doing it!

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  18. Anonymous,

    I did have some experience "working full time" when I student taught. Technically I had to do so from mid-Sept. until late Nov. but I chose to start mid-Aug. and finish early Dec. Then, I was getting up at 6 am and getting work by 7:15 or so and working until 3:30 - 4. No, I haven't held a "real" job but I have a happy marriage and I do have a degree so I could get a job if I needed to. I just don't believe that women NEED to be independent. They should have a plan, in case the worst happens, but they don't have to have that experience to be complete in life. I certainly don't feel like I missed out. As far as Ben losing his job -- his field is big enough that he could get one before our emergency fund or his severance ran out.

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  19. Anonymous - I totally agree with you about abuse. Abuse is one situation where a woman should get out as soon as possible. No waiting, just leave and end the marriage. In my post I was referring to the 'irreconcilable differences' that are suddenly a huge problem in marriages. It bugs me because the things that people today fight about that become those irreconcilable differences were around back in those times (for the most part; no, they didn't have facebook then, which apparently is listed in almost half of divorce decrees now as a contributing factor) but they did have adultery and things like that.

    I don't think that everything back then was so much more superior to what we have now, or anything like that, but the fact that over half of marriages fail (irreconcilable differences), and up to 75% of second and third marriages fail.

    I personally don't think that there is a such thing as an irreconcilable difference. There is a such thing as two people not willing to compromise on an issue, or making a huge deal out of something tiny (people have actually gotten divorced because he wouldn't put the toilet seat back down...really? Are we serious?).

    As for the 'taking out the trash' comment, I'm not saying that everyone doesn't have responsibilities. My husband usually takes out the trash (at least 80% of the time), but sometimes I give him a break when he has something important to do and do it myself. I do a majority of the cooking, but sometimes he'll make me dinner to show his love (and to give me a break). Looking out for the other person's needs is crucial - if he's trying to solve a problem, I can take out the trash. It won't kill me. If I'm working hard on a project around dinner time, he'll take care of dinner. That's one way to show your love to somebody. There are tons of other ways, and acts of service aren't everyone's 'love language' according to the book about them, but they are ways of showing love.

    One other thing - I'm not writing this on some rant...I find the discussion about this stuff really interesting. Keep in mind that I work more than 40 hours a week (I'm at work at 0615 and don't get home until somewhere between 1500 and 1600 every day, depending on what project/training I'm doing at the time) and I'm spending a lot of time leading two ministries at my church. And my husband loves me even though I'm not at home caring for kids and cleaning up around the place. That's why we have a Roomba that we can schedule to run at different times of the day. :)

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  20. Kate-

    Student teaching as job experience - really? Did you get paid and support yourself? Didn't you have a cooperating teacher who gave you guidance and and who stepped in when necessary. 7:00 -3:30 or 4:00 is a relatively short day. I bet you put more hours in as a mother. With the illegalities of the funding of education in Ohio and the cut-backs that so many schools are making, I really doubt that you could get a job teaching very quickly. It could take years of subbing and proving yourself before any school system would hire you. You also have to be highly qualified
    which means having a license. When does/did yours expire?

    It's great that you are so confident in Ben's ability to keep or find a job. So many people accross this country, and particularly in Ohio, are really struggling with unemployment (perhaps you've seen reports of this on the news?). Many of these people are very experienced workers who thought the same as you. They are now working at minimum wage jobs to, almost, make ends meet.

    I'm glad your marriage is happy. I believe that all adults, men and women, NEED to be independent or at least to know they can be. How can a person be a full contributing PARTNER if they are really a dependent. I doubt that we will ever see eye to eye on this issue. You chose your path because you wanted to be dependent on someone. I, too, stay home with my children but worked for a while before they were born. This allowed me to pay off all of my debt AND to know that I could do so myself. I don't need my husband to take responsibilty for my debt for me. I'm sorry you will never know that feeling. Perhaps your daughter will.

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  21. Nineteen and 20 year olds are notorious for making GREAT marital decisions! Have you ever looked at the statistics for early marriages?

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  22. Anonymous,

    Statistics mean nothing to the individual. There are plenty of people who are older who make poor decisions; there are plenty of young people who make good decisions. We are happily married and have already decided to commit to working out any issues that come up in our marriage. We take this commitment very seriously. I hope that you and everyone have good, loving marriages, and I also hope that you wish others the same. Please think twice before posting sarcastic comments again, it is really not very polite.

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  23. Kate-

    Fine. I won't use staistics to make my point if you don't use your early marriage to romanticize life. You may overcome the odds, but holding yourselves up as examples simply encourages other 20 year olds to follow your path. That's probably not a good idea since most of them will fail. Romeo and Juliet seemed like a great love story too, but both of them wound up dead! Not much of an example.

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  24. Anonymous,

    We in no way encourage -- or discourage -- others from following our lead. That is between the couple and God. Our story is meant to be our perspective, and an introduction to our thoughts, feelings, and why we believe in Biblical marriage (which is coming up). When we get there, I'll be quoting and referring to many authors and pastors who know more than we do. While we do not encourage anyone to marry (or not) at any particular age or in any particular situation, we do encourage all to have a Biblical marriage and to keep God at the center.

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  25. 1. You use statistics when they work in your favor (ex. saving for college), but not when they don't (ex. success rates of early mrriages).

    2. Didn't you commit to solving any problems in your marraige the day you were married? Haven't all couples who marry "already decided" to commit to work through any problems? Isn't that the definition of marriage?

    3. Will you present the thoughts and ideas of authors and pastors who think couples should wait until they are whole individuals before marrying, or will you only present the thoughts and ideas of authors and pastors that reinforce your own situation?

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  26. Emma-

    I agree with you about "love language." Taking out the trash, fixing dinner, and driving the kids to practice may all seem trivial, but, really, that's the stuff most couples fight about. Doing acts of service, or acts of love, for others is one way to show that we respect the efforts and needs of each other.

    I think you are on the right track and you and your husband should keep doing what you are doing. Self-interest is what kills love and, eventually, marriages. Good for you for having the ability to see another's perspective and for having the ability to adapt and change in repsonse to your family's emotional needs.

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  27. Jern,

    1. Most people don't save (enough) for college, and many early marriages fail. We believe it's possible to save fully for college and make an early marriage work. How does either statistic work more in our favor?

    2. Unfortunately, not all couples actually, truly commit to working out problems when they marry. They hold divorce as an option in the back of their minds in case something comes up they feel they can't deal with. We have already decided divorce isn't an option for us (and before you say that's naive, we were told by couples who'd been married between 10 and 30 years that we must agree never to even say that word in a fight). A lot of people have trouble in their marriages because they haven't discussed important issues before they got married -- children, jobs, location, money, etc. We discussed this thoroughly together and in premarital counseling (which we recommend for any couple planning to marry).

    3. We will present a wide range of authors and opinions. But why is it that you define "being a whole person" by a person's age? It is possible to be a whole person at 20, but not at 40. People mature at different rates.

    There will be no further comments along these lines published. This is turning into rude, personal attacks on our beliefs and lifestyle. You are welcome to disagree but you are not welcome to attack us. I am very, very sorry that people are not being mature about this and I sincerely hope I don't regret my decision to share our life, which I have done merely to show the good AND bad parts in hopes that it might help someone else someday. So if I receive any further rude comments, they will not be posted and this post will be locked from future comments.

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  28. Is pre-marital counselling done only by priests and religious officials? Can you get pre-marital counseling if you aren't religious?

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  29. Tara,

    Traditionally it's done by religious officials, but yes, you can get counseling if you aren't religious. Any licensed marital therapist should be able to meet with you for premarital counseling as well (except that it would be preemptive, of course, and probably you'd meet weekly or bimonthly for 6 - 10 sessions). http://www.therapistlocator.net/ That is a website I found from American Association of Marriage and Family Therapy, so I would start there if you are seeking a non-religious premarital counseling experience.

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  30. Did you go to a religious counselor or a marital therapist? How much education do marital therapists need to have? How much education in counseling do religious counselors have? It seems like there could be disparities, and that some counseling would be more valuable than other counseling. Which do you recommend?

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  31. Kate-

    I don't define being a whole person by age. I define being a whole person, or adult, as someone who is self-supporting emotionally and financially. Until a person can take care of their own emotional and financial needs, they are a dependent not an adult. I don't think it's a good idea to always be someone's dependent. Even though I am a guy, I don't think a paternalistic society is a good idea. I think girls need to become women and boys need to become men before they can commit to a partnership. If one person is still dependent (be it the male or the female), the marriage is not an equal partnership.

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  32. Why do you and Ben get so fired up about being called young?

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  33. Ed,

    It's not "young," it's "naive," "innocent," "irresponsible" and other words that basically mean because we're young (and yes, we are!), we have no idea what we're doing or talking about. We -- just like everyone -- will learn more in time and there are many things we just don't know yet and can't predict, but having people come on here and point it out, and say "Look how cute you two are! Oh, to be so innocent and naive again!" is like someone patting our heads like we're just children. You know? And regardless of what we know or don't know yet, we are doing the best we can and would like respect from fellow adults. If you think we are naive, go ahead and have a private laugh about it! I do that all the time when I talk to others or read other blogs. But I don't go on and tell them just how silly I think their ideas are. It's about being gentle and commenting in a way that furthers ideas and debate, which that sort of thing doesn't do.

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